BULLETIN  from  William WAGENER @  OST
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Santa Maria, Thursday was consummed trying to get
reputed fugitive Darren Roy Mack, who is thought to
be in Mexico to turn himself in to authorities.
 Thursday Morning Darren R. Mack emailed
William Wagener, Producer of www.OnSecondThought.tv
and a local TV show in central Coast of California,
with a piece of information that confirmed his identity.
 Authorities, including FBI & D.A. of Washoe County, Nevada,
and Reno PD, have been seeking Mr. Mack in connection to the
death of his estranged wife, Darla in Reno, and the shooting of
the judge, Charle Weller, who sat on their custody/divorce case.
 William Wagener is the only person to have taped Darren Mack
on or about May 27, 2006, and another Reno dad in connection
with the reputed crooked acts of Judge Charles Weller nearly 2 weeks
before the events of June 12, when Judge Weller was shot through
his 3rd floor Window of the Courthouse. Mr. Mack had tried in vein for
months to get media attention to the blatantly unfair rulings of Judge
Weller, in his case and a dozen other cases.
 In an undisclosed location in the East Bay area mountains, the interview
took place. Fearing Judge Weller might throw Darren Mack into
jail if the interview was broadcast before an appeal was tried, the tapes
were held by a 3rd party with intention to deliver only if Darren Mack was
in jail, dead, or incapacitated by acts related to Judge Wellers conduct.
 Darren Mack and other Reno non custodial parents, NCP’s, were tentatively
scheduled to fly down to Santa Maria, CA, from Reno, Nevada, out of judge
Wellers jurisdiction and do a better interview about June 12th to 15th,
in a Community Access Studio.Â
Wagener delayed and indicated it would be better a week later. June 12, 2006,
Darla Mack was killed and Judge Charles Weller shot on the third floor.
Yesterday, on Thursday, morning, William Wagener’s On Second Thought,
received a reply from a request for Mack to prove he was not an impersonator.
Darren Mack was willing to turn himself in IF, he was allowed to speak on National
Television, on the reputed crooked activities of Judge Charles Weller, and
Mr. Mack had been talking to authority of D.A. of Washoe County for some days
about conditions underwhich he would turn himself in and avoid any more bloodshed.
 All day, Wagener emailed Mr. Macks first choice, Greta Van Sustern, and talked finally
with her producer and then Greta, but Greta refused to take Wagener’s confirmation
and insisted that Darren Mack call her directly and prove he was the man police are
looking for in Mexico and USA. Each time with a plea to turn himself in, after he got
to say his piece to a national audience. Mr. Mack also indicated that Police had not
kept all of their side of their arrangement in an email to Wagener, at OnSecond Thought.
 At about 9:30 pm EST, Greta Van Sustern, held to the view that Mr. Mack who she had
never met would have to prove his identity to her. Result, it did not happen. And the man
hunt did not end, and risk that people may be injured by the man hunt and its termination,
continues. An effort is being made now to contact European English speaking TV talk shows.
All Darren Macks seems to want is an opportunity to speak his peace BEFORE he surrenders.
 Darren Mack also wants to expose the “Nazi” attitude of “Family Court” toward NCPs.
He claims to have devastating evidence against the Reno Court system and Judge Weller
in particular.  If so it could be a indictment of the Nevada Judicial system in total, with regards
to “Family Court”
That all that stands between continued hunt, and the fugitive Mack turning himself in to
authorities. Mack indicated that his side of the story, about corruption of Family Court is
not be mentioned anywhere. What is clear, is On The Record, with Greta had a clear chance
to end it, and set a standard that could not be met.
  Post and republish as you wish.
William J. Wagener
TV Host & Producer of                               /\
www.OnSecondThought.TVÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ///Â \\\
805 928-1100
70 responses so far ↓
1 Jim Deeny // Jun 23, 2006 at 6:50 am
I WISH they could get this guy to talk on National TV. I’m not sure what good it’ll do, but this whole US Family court system needs to be exposed!
2 Jim Deeny // Jun 23, 2006 at 7:04 am
http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
3 Kevin Merck // Jun 23, 2006 at 7:54 am
I don’t think “law enforcement†(misnomer defined) is going to be bending over backwards to help Mr. Mack tell his story on national TV.
Every effort will be made to make Mr. Mack look like a pathetic loser in spite of his history to the contrary. Cable news has already made his internet activity a matter of public record and has tried to cast him in a negative light.
The simple fact of the matter is that you can’t commit murder and attempted murder, and then try to mitigate those crimes by claiming to be a victim of discrimination, unless of course, you are a “battered woman†freeing herself from a “alleged relentless predator†in the form of an estranged husband or boyfriend; then, of course, it’s perfectly justified.
However, if that relentless predator wears a black robe and is operating in the “best interests of the morally bankrupt courts†then capital punishment shall be the fruits of your endeavor.
Kevin Merck
Without justice being freely, fully, and impartially administered, neither our persons, nor our rights, nor our property, can be protected. And if these, or either of them, are regulated by no certain laws, and are subject to no certain principles, and are held by no certain tenure, and are redressed, when violated, by no certain remedies, society fails of all its value; and men may as well return to a state of savage and barbarous independence.
Joseph Story
4 reedwrite // Jun 24, 2006 at 10:12 pm
Hey Kevin, still making sense, huh? Whatsamatter? I was trying to get an interview with Mack, but he turned himself in. Now we have a martyr, but will it get us anywhere? The argument is broadening to cover all unConstitutional abuse. Family court is a symptom of a larger disease. The virus is the glutted legal profession at every level of government..
Since I stopped paying the ransom, they’ve actually started to listen to me. Still have that parasitic look in their eyes, but their mouths are shut. Getting ready to bump it up a notch, out of the local court. Planning on filming the DC Conference in Sept. during the Liberty Ride. Check out the new site and lemeno whatcha think.
terraquestunited.com
Peace and Liberty, Spike
5 johndoedad // Jul 1, 2006 at 12:37 pm
Unfortunately he surrendered (he is likely a little naive and has a conscience). From what I have read he is basically a decent regular guy. He was obviously pushed too far by the courts. Anyone who doesn’t understand why he did it has never been through the hell of a serious contested divorce battle. I have not seen any mainstream media discussing the inequality of the divorce courts that were a major cause of this issue. Until the issue of equality for fathers and children in divorce becomes a mainstream issue I expect to continue to see weekly news coverage of ex-wives killed. The real tragedy is that the children are the ones hurt the most by not having equality in divorce.
6 George // Jul 2, 2006 at 6:25 pm
This is just absurd. As a noncustodial parent, I want to distance myself as far as possible from the likes of Darren Mack. Beyond that, I am horrified that ANCPR, a group that might have had potential in representing noncustodial parents, would publish such sheer idiocy. This is so absurd that I hardly know where to begin.
How about beginning with the murder of Charla Mack, and the apparent orphaning of the eight-year old child? If the allegation regarding Charla Mack is true, then Darren Mack would be guilty of taking both parents away from an eight-year old child. Charla Mack didn’t get to talk to anybody before she died- not her child, not her parents, not anyone at all before she was stabbed in the chest and neck.
The Mack case is not even about noncustodial parents- so why is it getting this much attention on a noncustodial parents’ site? Or is the media hiding that too? All that’s been published indicates that this was probably about money, and nothing is said about the custody arrangements. Why do you “soil the nest†of what could be a good organization with this idiocy, when it’s not even about noncustodial parents’ rights? What about the child’s right to have access to both parents? Apparently this child will have access to neither parent, and has been traumatized for life.
Why should anyone accused of murder be given time on national television? There are many other ways to expose the inequities in the family court system. The simple fact is that there is an allegation of two murders, and nothing more. A person accused of two murders has a right to due process of law, and a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, and nothing more. To think that this is somehow a right, or some kind of fair exchange, is just absurd.
You write that “Darren Mack also wants to expose the “Nazi†attitude of “Family Court†toward NCPs. He claims to have devastating evidence against the Reno Court system and Judge Weller in particular. If so it could be a indictment of the Nevada Judicial system in total, with regards to “Family Courtâ€.” So why don’t you give us that same information here? All that’s said is that apparently attorneys attempted to get their cases tried in a court other than Weller’s. Where is the evidence of this “Nazi†attitude?
One of the comments says “now we have a martyrâ€- wrong. Now the judicial system has a martyr, a judge critically wounded by a philanderer who didn’t want to pay as much alimony as the judge was apparently going to order.
I think this case has taken away about 20 years of progress for noncustodial parents. I’m very concerned that the public perception, and the judicial system’s perception, of noncustodial fathers, will be of poor little rich kids, swingers with several girlfriends living close enough to visit, and more on the internet. You do us no favors by publishing this idiocy.
7 reedwrite // Jul 2, 2006 at 10:03 pm
Dear Sirs, regarding the letter above:
I apologize if there is an error on my part. I do not approve of or advocate the actions of Darren Mack. I agree with you 100%. I am a proud member of ANCPR and have lasted nine years of family court without violence. Peaceful solutions are the only valid ones and I agree that Mack is no hero, though I don’t know much about him. The child he left behind is the true victim, and I’m in this for the children, especially mine.
My interest is legal, political and psychological implications for children so my focus as a filmmaker is on lobbyists, lawyers and experts who hold their futures. Again, if this is a mistake, I apologize. Please let me know what must be done to correct this misrepresentation.
Thank you.
Sincerely, Spike Reed
TerraQuest Pictures Inc.
8 Kevin Merck // Jul 3, 2006 at 6:39 am
on September 7th, 2005 at 9:20 pm— In legendsfounder@yahoogroups.com, “Indiana Civil Rights
Council†wrote:
Greetings:
In a nutshell, EVERY parental rights agenda, whether (A) legal
challenges, (B) communication
campaigns to members of legislatures, (C) public rallies, or (D)
etc., needs **many** more
interested people to join and support those causes, and as fast as
can be humanly done!
Problem = how to find and contact all of those other millions of
noncustodial parents?
Solution = use the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) to force the
states - themselves - to tell us
the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of every noncustodial
parent under a Title IV-D
child support order. Since every divorce/custody/paternity/etc case
is, by definition of law, a
matter of public record, that “party information†for all of those
other millions of noncustodial
parents is, also therefore, information obtainable under the FOIA -
because Title IV-D
information is… **federal** information!
Each FOIA request is filed with the agent in charge of Title IV-D
child support for a given
county. This is typically either the actual/named/official county
clerk herself/himself, or some
other officially-named person. Once your FOIA is filed, they only
have 20 working days to
provide the information, and in 95% of the counties in this country,
that information will be
provided in an easy-to-use electronic format -> on floppy disks, cd-
rom, or by email.
Even better, in almost every case, federal law requires that the
information shall be provided at
**no cost** - all you need is a printer, 2 sheets of paper, and an
envelope. However, it is highly
recommended that the FOIA request be sent by certified mail, return
receipt requested, so as to
have a formal record of proof of filing the request, and of the date
it was filed.
GO HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE “NCP†FOIA REQUEST, AND TO GET MORE INFO:
http://www.indianacrc.org/FOIA.html
Please distribute this information as widely as possible…TODAY…
Ideally, there should be one
person per each of the approx 3142 counties in the United States
filing their FOIA request with
that particular county, or maybe one person for each 2-3 counties,
just to get it going faster.
———————————————————————
9 Kevin Merck // Jul 3, 2006 at 8:59 am
Perhaps we should do away with free speech as to not offend the likes of the above commentator. It seems there has been a tenet of “political correctness†violated. Perhaps ANCPR should allow “George†to dictate what is fit to publish on this website?
If the Mack incident has robbed us of twenty years progress in the struggle for equal rights, then that only demonstrates how little progress has been made. If the actions of one individual can derail the entire men’s/father’s rights movement, then there is scarcely a movement at all.
Some are quick to call Mr. Mack a “philanderer†based on the media coverage of his personal life. Shouldn’t the focus be on the circumstances involved in the procedures leading to the culmination of events? Why … in this “tabloid society†… are we so quick to focus on someone’s personal life? Could it be that we are trying to justify the corrupt nature of the court by casting doubt on Mr. Mack’s character?
It’s particularly strange to me how an “American†can make the claim that “peaceful solutions are the only valid onesâ€. I guess this country is “invalidâ€. I guess we should proclaim ourselves as subjects of her “Majesty the Queen†and beg her eternal forgiveness that our Founding Fathers wrongfully took up arms against her.
I guess every American soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq is a criminal, operating on the orders of a criminal, for having seen it necessary to use violence in response to 9/11. Why are some people quick to denounce violence, yet tolerate decades of “brutal repression†as if there were no violence involved in that oppression? If you find the use of violence so distasteful, then you must be totally overwhelmed by the violence perpetrated against men/fathers in this country by the courts. You must be completely devastated by the years of brutality of Saddam Hussein’s reign of terror.
Thousands of men/fathers pay with their lives every year in this “war on menâ€. This war is far more deadly than the wars in the Middle East. In fact, many of the men that serve us now, that put their lives in danger to protect us at home, are victims of this “home-grown†war on men.
With the Fourth of July so close, I personally take great pride in the fact that our Founding Fathers were not the kind of wimps that plague our country today. It was a very short time ago that these great men shaped this country, (certainly not ancient history) and the face of tyranny has not changed at all. I believe that if they were alive today, they would be leading another revolution against this domestic enemy, one in which I would be proud to serve. Any nation that fails to offer “all its citizens” the equal protection of its laws loses its authority to govern.
Kevin Merck
“Where there is no law, there is no liberty; and nothing deserves the name of law but that which is certain and universal in its operation upon all the members of the community”.
Benjamin Rush
10 johndoedad // Jul 3, 2006 at 9:50 am
Thanks Kevin for those intelligent words. Very well written and a great response.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
revolution inevitable.â€
-John F. Kennedy
11 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 10:26 am
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
I think Baskerville’s and ACFC’s achievements demonstrate that the movement is alive and well, and achieving a great deal without resorting to violence.
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
12 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 10:30 am
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have “shoved it in reverse†pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
13 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 10:59 am
I just tried to post to answer Kevin, but it didn’t go up like it did last night. Could someone explain this to me?
14 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:05 am
Sorry about that. My mistake, I guess. Anyway, Kevin and all:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his opinion pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
15 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:09 am
Sorry about that. My mistake, I guess. Anyway, Kevin and all:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have “shoved it in reverse†pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
16 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:29 am
Sorry about that. My mistake. Anyway, Kevin and all:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have “shoved it in reverse†pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
17 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:45 am
Sorry about that. My mistake. Anyway, Kevin and all:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have “shoved it in reverse†pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
18 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:47 am
Sorry about that. My mistake. Anyway, Kevin and all:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
19 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 11:58 am
OK- Try a different name…
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to haveclarified his position pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
20 Kevin Merck // Jul 3, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Must be a conspiracy.
21 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 1:57 pm
George trying a different name…
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
22 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 1:59 pm
George trying a different name…
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
23 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 2:05 pm
Now I can’t even log in as George. Is there a post length control?
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it.
As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
24 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 2:10 pm
“George” can’t even log in as George. And “Lowell” can’t post at any length, I would just ask, if you’re serious about a freedom-of-speech discussion, to help me out here…
25 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 2:12 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like this long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. I again point out to you what Mack’s own psychological consultant says in his op-ed piece, and I also point out to you that Spike seemed to have clarified his post pretty fast.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
26 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 2:49 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
27 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 2:51 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So educate me. Give me facts.
28 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 4:12 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
29 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 4:13 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
30 Lowell // Jul 3, 2006 at 4:32 pm
(trying again)
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
31 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 5:15 pm
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would simply like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushed†Darren Mack into committing the alleged crimes?
Tell you what- please explain to me in this forum, with the use of substantiated facts, what the exact abuses of the Nevada family courts were, and what the exact abuses of Judge Weller were, and how they “pushed†Darren Mack into what is alleged against him, and I’ll consider your presentation carefully. Just give me the facts to support it. As I write this, I’m glancing back at the statements made regarding Judge Weller on the onsecondthought.com site. All I ask is that you demonstrate to me that those statements are true, and how they justify overt violence. But I would also ask you to read the ACFC’s “Father’s Day Message from Stephen Baskervilleâ€, which recounts the gains ACFC and NCP’s have made without resorting to violence:
http://www.acfc.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=1521.0&dlv_id=5501
So I’ll be eagerly awaiting your reply. Again, just tell me specifically what Judge Weller and/or the Nevada courts did that merited the murder of Charla Mack, and Judge Weller himself getting shot.
Finally, of course I can’t dictate what’s posted here on ANCPR, but I can state my regret that an apparently high-profile organization having to do with NCP rights publishes this stuff when it has nothing to do with NCP rights. At least I haven’t seen in the media that there was anything having to do with NCP rights.
So enlighten me. Give me facts.
32 George // Jul 3, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Gee guys! I just found out this topic is closed! Anybody want to explain to me why?? Was it getting too hot in here for you?
33 ANCPR // Jul 3, 2006 at 9:44 pm
I can’t figure out what anyone who is posting a comment that then appears would think that the topic is “closed”.
34 ANCPR // Jul 3, 2006 at 9:45 pm
The fact that these comments are visible, and that they were made just now, with no problem whatsoever, means that everything is working fine.
35 George // Jul 4, 2006 at 6:03 am
I tried to post this longer piece several times yesterday without succcess:
It’s hard to know where to begin to answer something like Kevin’s long and “far-reaching” post.
I guess I could give you the link to an op-ed piece in the Las Vegas Review-Journal written by one of Darren Mack’s consultants in his divorce:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-27-Tue-2006/opinion/8176631.html
The essential quote in this is:
“As part of Darren Mack’s defense team, I empathized with him during his proceedings because he felt he was losing it all. Now that he truly has, if I could talk to him right now, I’d say, “How dare you, Darren Mack, leave your beautiful child parentless? How dare you harm the prospects of wrongly accused fathers all over this country who despair of ever seeing their own children again?”"
So if I understand your post correctly, you are saying that the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and Judge Weller’s alleged judicial misconduct, are so grievous as to somehow justify the alleged murder of the child’s mother, and the alleged attempted murder of Judge Weller. Please correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what you seem to be saying.
I’m not saying that there’s not judicial misconduct in family courts in many areas. But I think it’s kind of a conceptual “stretch†to say that Mack was “driven†to allegedly do this, and that that somehow mitigates what happened.
I guess for the moment I would just like to see a factual presentation of the alleged judicial misconduct in the Nevada courts, and in Judge Weller’s court. The article from http://www.onsecondthought.tv/mackjustice.html
states that “Once again, the secret and corrupt courts of “family court†have pushed a man without prior criminal record to violence.†Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the alleged actions of Judge Weller “pushedâ€