Alec Baldwin plans book on injustices to divorced dads – People
April 29, 2007
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Alec Baldwin plans book on injustices to divorced dads – People
Apr 29, 2007, 1:58 GMT
Los Angeles – Hollywood star Alec Baldwin, who has provoked a furor over harsh words to his daughter in a phone meessage, plans to write a book about the injustices done to divorced fathers, a media report said Saturday.
Baldwin, whose ex is actress Kim Basinger, stated his intention about the book on the ABC television talk show, the View, in the midst of a discussion about ‘parental alienation,’ The New York Times reported.
To have enough time to write the book, Baldwin mused that he might leave the successful TV comedy series, 30 Rock.
Baldwin left an abusive voicemail on his 11-year-old daughter, Ireland’s, phone recently, calling her a ‘thoughtless little pig.’ The voice recording was leaked to the media, sparking a nationwide debate in the celebrity gossip columns about the conduct of actors.
The couple separated in 2000 after seven years of marriage, but continue to fight over custody of Ireland.
Basinger has denied allegations that she was behind the leaking of the audio track, and has called Baldwin ‘unstable and irrational.’ The internet website tmz.com published the conversation.
After hearing the tape, a judge temporarily barred Baldwin from having any contact with Ireland, and a full hearing on the matter is set for next week.
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This is a good example of why I believe it’s important not to get bogged down with the “dirty little details†of everyone’s personal saga.
The fact that Baldwin used poor judgment in the message left with his daughter has nothing to do with the issues.
Feminists would love to reduce everything to a “he said – she said†argument where nothing can be accomplished.
The simple fact of the matter is that millions of people are having their lives destroyed by these criminals masquerading as a family court system and nothing Baldwin said to his daughter in the heat of the moment will change that.
I think we would be better off if he wrote a book about the corruption in our courts and left his personal baggage out of it.
There are over twenty million stories about the injustice, let’s just focus on the constitutional issues, and leave the story telling to Oprah.
Kevin Merck
Kevin,
I agree with what you say except for 1 major point. That is Alec’s ‘baggage’ as you referred to it. If we left the story telling to Oprah, then it would get judged on Oprah. Isn’t that how a lot of our social ills get started, by shows like Oprah.
You see, the personal story is not just a story, but rather a testimony to the evidence of the existence of P.A.S.
And as far as what he said to his daughter by calling her a “thoughless little pig” … this should not be judged as a flaw in his character, for the same reason if an alcoholic said those same words in a drunken state of mind, it would just be written of as, “He/She doesn’t know what he is saying, it’s the alcohol”.
And for that reason, P.A.S. needs to be recognized as a form of abuse by the offending parent.
Personally, I sympathize with Alec, as I am going through the same thing. I haven’t seen my sons (ages 15 & 11) in over a month and I suspect that when I do see them, there will be a lot of emotion — anger on both our parts — and the truth is that we (my sons and I) are not angry at each other, but rather at their manipulative mother.
Peace,
Brooklyn Boy
I feel sorry for Alec. It gots to be hard on him right now. The stress of it all. His X is realy not helping them matter, trying to get what she wants from it all. But I do have to say one thing He didn’t have to call his little girl a pig. No one should call their child names. More then likely it was the mother tell the little girl not to answer. Alec needed to take it up with the mother, and if he had to use it in court.
The “Constitution†leaves no room for storytelling. It’s the law of the land and leaves little room for argument. We need to focus on the “Constitutional Issuesâ€.
We need to see people like Oprah and “all the others like her†for what they truly are – storytellers with absolutely no “credibility†whatsoever.
Oprah was raised by her mother until she was a young teenager. While in her mother’s care she was repeatedly raped by people her mother had exposed her to. She also had an abortion. She was a juvenile delinquent well on her way to an early grave.
Her father took her in and completely turned her life around. Why don’t most people know this? Why isn’t this “story†widely known? This woman has done more to harm men/fathers than any other person on this planet. She has made a fortune promoting feminist causes by telling one-sided “storiesâ€.
There is no “God Given Right†more basic than the right to be an equal participant in your children’s lives. The Constitution is intended to guarantee our “God Given Rights†and our public servants are sworn to uphold the Constitution. There is no room for argument or storytelling here.
Kevin Merck
“A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
- Benjamin Franklin
I hereby offer my services to Mr. Baldwin as a contributor to his forthcoming book. As a man who has been bogged down inside the quagmire of the family court system for years with two children, there are certain truths at work here that have little or no bearing on the ” Constitutional Rights” of a parent or the ” Best Interest doctrine” of the child. The system is atiquated, corrupt, and in serious need of overhaul. The intrinsic bias leans heavily in favor of the female, whether or not she is truly deserving of the moniker “responsible parent’. The Family Court system is a self-perpetuating mini-corporation, designed to keep Mediators, Psychologists, Lawyers, Clerks, Parenting Coordinators and judges rolling in the dough- and often with little or no regard to the real best interest of the child tenet.
I have years of experience and documentation of accounts that are far too involved to go into here, but one of my bottom-line observations is this:
All of the little boys and girls that women are so quick to leverage in the line of fire in their anger battle with former counterparts are the very same kids that will grow up to become aunts and uncles and fathers and mothers and civic leaders of their own. Look around you now. Isn’t it ironic that in many cases, it is the very feminists who promote this anti-male bias that are the very people who could influence the outcome of THEIR children, OUR children, in a more positive way? And yet most choose not to. Feminism promotes gender warfare at the great emotional and psychological expense of our own children. One need look no further than to Gloria Allred and her ilk to see this dynamic in action. Women, it’s time to grow up and stand up for what’s right. You are not “entitled” just because you carried him for 9 months! Parenting starts after birth. Your ongoing vote against men is a vote against all of us. As soon as you get past your sense of ego and self-entitlement, perhaps then and only then we can hope to modernize the system for the betterment of ALL mankind.
Jerry Hawkins
Tulsa, OK.
Jerry said much of it, but I have a bit to add.
What do you do when you actually catch your wife cheating on you, (she chose the living room floor, and he was still there when I walked in)? My kids were in the bedroom off the living room. She was walking nude to the bathroom when I chose to ‘visit’ them. I left her, but continued to pay the bills. We seperated, and then later divorced.
I thought that ‘Joint Custody’ would afford me my Rights. I l later learned that this term only amounts to adding to lawyers pockets when it comes to visitation. I have to PAY or I go to Jail, and she doesn’t have to ever let me see my kids!! At least until I have spent $20,000 in lawyer fees to gain access!! Then I can go to mediation, to see why I divorced her in the first place and make sure that she is happy with my current set of circumstances and maybe she will let me see my children. Better not have a new woman, she already hates you for whatever reason, and this new woman is more reason to hate you, regardless of whether she left you, cheated on you, became lesbian, doesn’t matter…… You have now committed the ultimate sin against her, you have decided to ‘emotionally detach’ from her. You have committed the Cardinal Sin against women!
You need to understand that she can emotionally detach from you, for any reason in the world, but she is also entitled to reattach at any time, due to her moods, times of the month, etc. But you on the other hand should have realized that you married for life, regardless of her moods or cheating, you are her slave! You are her bread winner, the father of her children when she wants you to participate, but mostly the bread winner for her family and lifestyle! She controls you, and the Courts will tell you the same thing!
Maybe a forum should be started for young men, before they decide to marry, as a way of telling them about predatory females! So that they may be saved against the heartache of this board!
My story would break your heart, and maybe I will tell it sometime. My wife keeps threatening to write a book!
(I wrote this for my husband, he sits right here as I write. I type better than he does
Something needs to be done about Father’s Rights. What I have seen as a Mother, has broken my heart in regard to my husbands children!!!!!!!!! Alex needs to step up to the plate and become a Champion of Father’s Rights! He would do WELL!!!!!!!!!
Our case is very involved, one that Alex could put his teeth into. When a 16 year old girl is thrown out onto the Streets of Portland OR while on Prosac, and Mommy is a State Worker, there is a PROBLEM!!!!!!!! When the same girl is arrested and convicted of beating a girl, that was later killed, THEN WE HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dad was not allowed to have any contact with his daughter, her grades started going downhill badly, and then she ended up on the streets. But mommy was still getting ‘child support’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We would like to work with Alex and his staff in regard to new legislation etc. Have him contact us, we have alot more we can say.
Dave and Denise
woops meant Alec, not Alex. My husbands son that died at childbirth was Alex, and I get mixed up when I type. Typo and mind problem, so sorry. Referring to Alec Baldwin.
Dave and Denise:
I was the dude on the floor with Dave’s ex. Only problem with your story is that we were everywhere in the house, not just on the floor. We did it on the kitchen table, the bathroom sink, and I did her on the windowsill in front of the neighbors and she loved it.
You’re leaving out the fact that she claims Dave abused his children, as well as physically, mentally and financially abusing her.
Dave also has a “size problem†that is understandably intolerable to the “size specific needs†of his ex-wife. Doesn’t Dave know size is everything? He simply wasn’t meeting her complex needs.
Can you see the point I’m trying to make here? There are two sides to every story and the “facts†are just about impossible to determine.
“Every-single-female†out there who is using her children to extort “child support†from the father has every reason in the world to lie, and is encouraged to do just that, by every court and law enforcement agency in the country.
How can we ever accomplish anything by telling personal stories when it’s next to impossible to sort through all the lies and deception? Even though these criminals are lying about practically every “fact†in these cases, it’s another matter to prove it.
By sticking to the “Constitutional Issues†we will cut through all the lies and bullshit.
There is no “right†more fundamental than the “right†to be a parent to your child and share “equally†in their development. That’s the law of the land and leaves no room for nonsensical arguments.
Dave shouldn’t have to prove anything to anyone. He has an “Inalienable God Given Right†to be an equally participating parent in his children’s lives – end of story.
Kevin Merck
Kevin
Your ignorance and hatred indicate that you most likely SHOULD be kept from you children. You have never once made a relevent or even intelligent statement on this forum. You are a disgrace to not only fathers but human beings in general. You are a weak minded bully who desperatly wants others to like you because you dont support your children.
We are laughing at you!!!
Joe Denniston
The system is most definitely broken. I have also defended my rights to see my children, never enforced them. I have moved three times to stay close to my kids, losing the move-away each and every time. Mom now lives on an island and I have to incur the costs of getting there, often spending my visits in a hotel because of the kids’ activities on the weekends. So much for Mom’s House/Dad’s House. She wins everything, and after 7 years, frankly, I’m tired. The analogy I think of is death – when someone dies, you are grieving, but you eventually let go. I can never let go of this struggle. It would be as if your dead loved one came back to life every two weeks – you spent the weekend with them, and then they died for another two weeks. Who would choose, over time, to go through such a roller-coaster? The system is CREATING ambivalence and/or abandonment, in the average NCP, because of the fatigue and cost in defending rights to see children.
Joe-
I am not laughing at kevin.
As I see it he has just as much to add to the discussiuon as you do.
Because he goes at it in a different manner than you -does not make him wrong. History will tell-if there is any change in the system who’s was the right way. It just seems to me that nothing is changing and the situation needs to be hit from every angle possible. The system is broken and no-one in power is willing to take the first step to start correcting it.
So Joe, whats your answer?
fastscott,
My post above was just a taste of kevins own medicine. I was always told that the best way to hurt a bully was to get right back in his face.
My answer? Let’s join TOGETHER in what we share in common instead of tear each other down for our differences. We will only be taken seriosly if we are a organized, forward moving, UNITED cause. Every angle possible is needed, but directing our frustration at one another only makes us look uncredible.
Joe Dennistn
Who are the real “bullies�
Seems to me the “bullies†are the people who take your children for the sole purpose of extorting “child support†from you – bullies using the threat of incarceration under subhuman conditions to achieve their objectives.
They encourage their “mother†accomplices to tell all manner of lies, in order to build a case for “Kidnapping†the children, in the child’s purported best interests.
They encourage “single females†to bear children for the money they can extort from “railroaded fathers†and “duped taxpayers†– knowing full well that the children born to these females stand very little chance at a good life.
They know that the children of broken homes and single mother households will be the people who fill our prisons, mental hospitals, treatment centers, abortion clinics, welfare offices and courts. If any of them do get married, they will be the first in line for a divorce, continuing the cycle of violence in perpetuity.
After all, isn’t that good news for the “scumbags†who make a living from this industry?
The only thing in my mind worse than the “bullies†described above, are the cowards like “joepetioner†who enable these criminals to continue their trade, because they lack the courage and self-respect to do the right thing.
From what I’ve been able to gather from the “gibberish†this coward has spewed on this website, apparently, his wife has been alienating his children from him. I would believe anything she had to say about this coward based on what he has said here. I wouldn’t say however, that this should be grounds to keep him from his children; I think his children deserve the chance to know their father, even when the father is a cowardly lapdog who only helps perpetuate the death and suffering. Maybe his children will learn by example that they don’t want to be like their father.
Keep paying the child support you coward, it’s what I would expect from you.
Kevin Merck
Sometimes we dads need to tell our personal stories so our side of the story gets heard. I did just that in Deadbeat Dad. http://www.lulu.com/content/315711
DBD details just how the legal system works against and abuses us dads and our children. It names names and shows the world what the tyrants involved in the destruction of American families do.
We need to bring to the spotlight of public scrutiny just what it is these tyrants are doing to destroy our families and prevent us men from fighting back against this tyranny.
“No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.” Mark 3:27
At the risk of being labeled anti-semitic, I’ll explain in 200 words or less what we fathers are up agains.
No-fault divorce was pioneered by the Bolsheviks following the Russian Revolution of 1917. The Bolsheviks were jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_divorce
The four leading radical feminists of the 1960-70s were jewish:
Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, Gloria Steinem and Gloria Allred.
The main stream media is in jewish control, 95% of it anyway:
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
That’s why we never get any coverage. The same people behind our destruction control the media outlets.
Are all jewish people involved? Of course not. But anyone who brings up these facts is struck almost immediately with the lighting rod of anti-semitism by the MSM and no one dares mention the truth. Look at what happened to Jimmy Carter for telling the truth. And Zundel.
Zionism is destroying the US and western culture. Our young people are dying in Iraq for Zionism. Our families are being destroyed by Zionism. Our culture is being destroyed by Zionist controlled media. Our borders are being overrun by a Zionist implemented immigration policy with Ted Kennedy as the front man way back in 1965.
I don’t care what anyone labels me, this is the truth and these are the facts.
At the risk of being labeled anti-semitic, I’ll explain in 200 words or less what we fathers are up against.
No-fault divorce was pioneered by the Bolsheviks following the Russian Revolution of 1917. The Bolsheviks were jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fault_divorce
The four leading radical feminists of the 1960-70s were jewish:
Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, Gloria Steinem and Gloria Allred.
The main stream media is in jewish control, 95% of it anyway:
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
That’s why we never get any coverage. The same people behind our destruction control the media outlets.
Are all jewish people involved? Of course not. But anyone who brings up these facts is struck almost immediately with the lighting rod of anti-semitism by the MSM and no one dares mention the truth. Look at what happened to Jimmy Carter for telling the truth. And Zundel.
Zionism is destroying the US and western culture. Our young people are dying in Iraq for Zionism. Our families are being destroyed by Zionism. Our culture is being destroyed by Zionist controlled media. Our borders are being overrun by a Zionist implemented immigration policy with Ted Kennedy as the front man way back in 1965.
I don’t care what anyone labels me, this is the truth and these are the facts.
First off , the fact that Alec Baldwin wants to step up to the plate for the rights of noncustodial parents is GREAT!!! What the movement needs is popular exposure. And a liberal like Baldwin can get it for us. Hell even some of the supposedly leftwing liberal hollywood media types stepped forward in support of Baldwin. That’s a start, a poor start, but a start none the less.
Concerning Constitutional rights, well in a family court, you don’t have any.
No… it is not a conspiracy.. well not exactly anyway. You see there are three juridictions for ” courts” in this country. And the old “courts” the real ones, don’t handle family law. Tribunals operating under either equity or admiralty jurisdiction handle family law and they are not really courts by definition. Courts operate under common law and common law handles only criminal cases.
And if you know anything at all about the legal system, you know that as a matter of fact, the common law system does not existe anymore.
Every court, is in fact a Tribunal, operating under code, ie the Uniform Commercial Code. So, you don’t have constitutional rights, those are used in courts and we don’t have real courts anymore.
Even in a criminal case, the tribunals operate under Admiraly juridiction ( ie the law of the sea on land) which has does handle both crimnal and civil matters. So even it does not have to obey the Constitution, it gives “civil rights” which are granted rights and the founding fathers did not want a government that could grant rights, they wanted a govenment of law, which had to obey the law and respect rights reguardless if they wanted to or not. That is what wrong with the family courts and the legal system as a whole. It has divorced itself, pardon the pun, from the constitution and the lawful requirements to abide by the limitations of that mold old document.
OK Kevin,
You seem to think that I am somehow perpetuating YOUR problems. I dont support the State or CSED, I provide food, clothing and shelter for my children. Believe it or not, you can support your children without feeding the obviously broken machine of beurocrasy. And its really no too difficult to do.
It seems to me that by ignoring CSED, and providing support under the table as it were, almost everyone wins. Unfortunatly the father suffers. I am willing to make this sacrifice. For that you call me a coward?
courage and self-respect are values I impart on my children. What do you do for yours?
Joe Denniston
maybelline is better in my opinion x
I agree that the system is corrupt however it is nut cases like Fockaert that justify the bias. He openly abused his family right under the nose of the family court who showed extraordinary patience with him for 5 years. He pulled every dirty trick in the book to insure that his ex-wife ended up with nothing all the while thumbing his nose at the Judge. The court was neglegent in that it did not shut him down until the destruction he caused was complete. Themcoutrs do what they do because of men like him