Child Support Rules Are Changing
December 2, 2005
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11Alive.com: Atlanta News – Child Support Rules Are Changing
The child support rules for divorced parents are changing. In spring 2005, Gov. Sonny Perdue signed a new formula, which considers the income of both parents, not just the one paying the support.
But the all-important numbers were left to a special commission, who made their first recommendations on Wednesday.
The talk was technical, the number tables cold. But, for both sides, there may be some surprises.
“We’re not really going to know the impact until the tables are done, and we can run some numbers,†said parent Julie Batson.
Batson and her husband pay support for his 14-year-old daughter Morgan, while raising two girls of their own. For years, they fought for a shared income law. But, now, she worried how the new tables would affect poor and middle-class support payers.
“Right now, it looks like a lot of their support amounts are going to go up, and I’m concerned about that,†Julie said.
To show a simplified example — Parent A has custody and makes $1,000 per month. Parent B makes $2,000 per month.
Under the new guidelines, Parent B would pay about $413 per month, but each case varies. Under the old system, Parent B would have paid $340 to $460 per month.
“Some orders are going to go up, some are going to go down. It’s not going to be consistent by income range. It’s not going to be consistent by number of children. We don’t know,†said Dr. Jane C. Venohr, part of the group that developed the tables.
Michael and Julie Martin gets support payments for his three children. He worried the new formula would mean less money.
“The average amount of support awarded in Georgia was $250 before all of this legislation. I hope it wouldn’t get worse for folks on that end,†said Michael.
Legislators on the commission had a different point of view.
“The gloom and doom that was a part of this scenario just hasn’t materialized. I think what you’re finding is what’s in the best interest of the children is truly the standard with this,†said state representative Earl Ehrhart, chairman of the commission.
The commission has not picked its final set of tables yet.
The next step is public hearings around the state. The one in Atlanta will be at the Georgia Public Broadcasting studios at 260 14th Street on December 5 from 6 to 8 p.m. After the hearings, the recommendations go to the legislature.
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Eat shit Earl Hartman! It’s going up to line somebody’s pocket! If you look at http://www.eppicard.com Georgia is the lates addition. Moreover, the EppiCard is a MasterCard for child support instead of the state paying for check disbursments, no NSF charges and free discounts if you have an EppiCard! What a racket. Imaging how much money is going to be made on the interest of the child support! Unbelievable, it makes me feel like I’m going puke. Earl will surely take a pay hike next year and make the taxpayers pay for his car, clothing, medical expenses and get a 10g a year boost. I say vote the PIG out!
i agree. anyone that profits at the detriment of another is proving in this case children are being used as windfalls.
Furthermore, it doesn’t make them requirethem to have a checking account. It goes on a MasterCard and YIPPIE!!! Lets hit the MAC. The one thing that’s good about the EppiCard is that there’s a paper trail. If there’s a way to demand it, and see where the money is spent it would be helpful in determining the amout of support. Any ideas?
Maybe the MasterCard records can be subpenoed?
Here’s proof about the Eppicard.
Read it, especially the last page.
In my opinion, any measure that does not address shared parenting and only addresses changes to the child support equation; makes as much sense as a band-aid on a cancer patient.
As long as one party to a divorce stands to profit from the dissolution of the marriage, there will be no end to the destruction of the American Family and our free way of life.
I say return the child support system to it’s original intent; welfare reimbursement. If the mother has to go on welfare and the dad does not contribute, let the mom and kids apply for welfare and the state go after the dad to reimburse the state. Speaking for myself, i would gladly contribute to my children to keep them happy and off welfare, but if the mom keeps them from me then let her get her money from the system that she pushed me into. Right now there is a bounty on my kids and this is just evil. I hate the system in place that enables my evil ex to control my kids and my money. God I miss my kids.
I like to see what others think of my solution to this mess.
If I were to ask a pank to give me a loan to start a business, I am required to submit a business plan and budget to be reviewed by the bank officials. I am also expected to report to the bank at certain time intervals the progress of my business and whether I am meeting my goals.
So, any parent requesting custody of a child must submit a parenting plan and a budget to be reviewd by a court appointed official. The parent submiting a plan with the most merit, allowing the noncustodial parent frequent access to the children and providing a reasonable child care budget, will be the custodial parent. The custodial parent will have to report back to the court and provide proof as to how successful the plan is being implemented. Failure to achieve certain goals will result in the other parent being the custodial parent.
The current law makes the parent fight for the children and keep the children away from the other parent because the children and $$$ goes to the winner. With the new rule the winning parent is obligated to give the other parent frequent and ongoing contact with the children. And in order to win the children, that parent has to ask for the least amount of money.
What do you guys think?
This whole thing is shit. My ex takes me to court about every two years each time I get a increase in my job. While I pay my increase in child support, she finds creative ways to encourage the shit judges to get more money out of me. She will introduce arguments that are 8 years old for more money for medical insurance saying that I am not paying my amount. To make matters worse, she will get some sleazy hired gun lawyer to represent her and preach to the biased judge that what was decided years ago wasn’t really what was written. The dam judge is only too happy to give more money.
Unless we have the children, we have nothing except aggrivation and a vaccuum sticking in our pocket sucking all the money out of our pockets by the piece of sh_ t ex who then spends the money on herself.
Pays to be a unich.
Wake up people! Child support has nothing to do with children or support. It is simply federal and state organised extortion of millions of their own citizens. If a family of four with an income of just $25000 a year can make it, and they do. How much do you figure those children cost to raise? If the children should be entitled to the standard of living of the more prosperous parent then that is who should have custody. I agree parent should both be held responsible for the children they have. So here’s the deal we should have. The parent with custody should provide for all the childrens needs while in their custody. When visiting the other parent the same applies. If special needs arise the other parent may contribute extra to overcome those needs. That is true child support. If one parent is unable to or unwilling to work why is it the other parents responsibility to support an adult who is not even related any more? Single adult have most of the same expenses as a custodial parent. Are we to adopt each other on a state determined basis and pay others bills? That would be rediculous. Yet under the current “child support” system that is exactly what is happening. Forget the damn equations! Children deserve to be with the parent who can and will support them in every way. They deserve to know and learn from both parents. Let’s put responsibility where it belongs. With whoever is caring for the child.
A foster family is only entitled $324 a month from the gov’t for 1 child. It’s hard to split the responsibility in way of means by money. Allot of parents live in different counties, townships etc. A child is not allowed to go to two different schools. Heck, nowadays women move out of state, so the 50/50 deal can’t work.
TheDeenster@netzero.net
Children “belong†to both of their parents. In my opinion, if you can’t see that, then you are part of the problem. As long as there is one party who stands to profit from a breakup in the marriage there will be no end to the escalating divorce rate.
I don’t think anyone seriously wants to give custody to the parent who can make a better argument or submit the best parenting plan. This is where the lawyers and hired “experts†have a field day. I believe it would be in the best interests of everyone involved to keep the remedy as simple as possible to minimize any role a lawyer or court plays in determining the future of our children. The “legal profession†is exactly what it is, and that is a profit motivated private enterprise, that is primarily interested in its own livelihood, not yours or your children’s. The sooner we all get that through our heads, the better off we’ll be.
In my opinion, the children need to spend an equal amount of time with both parents regardless of their ability to provide financially for them. Kids don’t care if you have money to waste on them, they care that they are in the company of a loving parent. People need to stand on their own two feet after a divorce and in everyday life. There should be no welfare “handout†and there should be no “free ride†from an ex-spouse. We need to stop voting for liberals who believe in a “welfare state†and the destruction of the “American Familyâ€. All of these liberal feminist pigs, lawyers, judges and other parasites, that are the source of our frustration and anger, vote for liberal scumbags like John Kerry. If that Nazi pig Hillary Clinton runs for president, you better fight as though your life depended on it, because if you are a man or a father, it does.
The child support industry is in fact a criminal enterprise. The courts are violating the constitution routinely. If you have the knowledge that this is the case and you choose to continue to cooperate with these criminals, then you are just as guilty as they are. The corrupted courts are interested in the matching federal dollars paid by the taxpayer to collect child support from the non-custodial parent. In all cases, they are interested in the transfer of wealth from you the NCP and the duped taxpayer, to the mothers involved and their own pockets. We are being “socially engineered†out of our children’s lives at enormous profit to the perpetrators.
Do the right thing; find a way to stop cooperating with your own destruction. If you really care about your children and their future, it’s a no brainer.
Child support really has nothing to do with supporting the children. My ex took me to court claiming that I failed to pay child support forcing her to return to work. The judge found that this allegation is not true after I produced cancelled checks and receipts showing that I paid more than the court ordered amount. I just found out that over that same period of time when she claimed that she had to work to support the children, she spent approx $3,600 in collectibles, artwork, and jewelry.
No doubt Kev! I was listening to some radio in the car yesterday and people were talking about Mrs. Clinton for president and chills ran up and down my spine! My ex just took me back because the domestic relations sent her a letter stating that I just got a pay raise and reccommended that she take me back(no peace in my home). When we sat down and started doing the figures she whipped out my daughters school lunch reciepts! I just looked in amazement. I was dumbfounded! I mean, here I am paying $566.00 bi-weekly and this woman that has remarried, has a home (he already had it when they married) drives a 30k car, has a 40k SUV and I drive a Cavalier that has 211,000 miles on it. Christmas comes around, my daughters birthday was yesterday. She got very few items and was upset that we didn’t get her more. 3 years ago my daughter would of cared less if she got socks and mittens. She lives with a greedy woman and she’s just like her mom now. I can’t afford much anymore. The reason why I pay so much is the last company I worked for cut out middle mgmt. and that was me. I make 1/2 as much as I used to and when I took the ex back to domestics the judge told me that 55k a year was my potential, and I am making 25k a year now. I work 90 hours in two weeks and I take home $275.00. I can barely keep my head above water. If I went to get a second job then the order would go even higher. Then I would be stuck working a 2nd job. I have no retirement, no future, lost my home, and I see my child 4 days a month. The attorney I had at the time sucked me dry, and all he was was a walking filing cabinet. Back when I got the divorce I had 17k in retirement, she got half and I was ordered to pay all the taxes on her half plus, the penalties the company charges for taking it out. I recieved a check for $2500 and sge got $6500 clear. If we don’t do something soon gentlemen we are going to be literally setting up our sons for the next round and it will be worse!!!!!
TheDeenster@netzero.net
Let me add, I always do this.
When I went to Dom. Rel. there’s a wall, a HUGE wall with pamphlets on it ranging from “men who abuse” to “how to collect your support” and “dead beat dads” I felt like I was going to the electric chair!
So I sat down and waited for almost a 1/2 hour passed the scheduled time. I thought the ex was going ot be a no show and then low and behold, the ex and the Domestics worker came walking out of her office laughing, and just had a grand ole’ time in her office. Needless to say, they were in there without me talking for a 1/2 hr! Then they invited me in, I sat down, and my ex said she lost her job at which she made over 13 and hr. So they based her on 10 and hr and me on my rate, and included all my potentials in there including quarterly bonuses which I rarely got. Also, mt ex enrolled my daughter into a FULL TIME daycare, which now I was responsible for 1/2. A week later my ex was working fulltime, my daughter went to daycare only before school not after and not full time. I was totally hosed! It was allowed! Soon, I will be down there handing out pamphlets of my own to the men that go up in that building. I feel so so bad for them. I want to make a difference in their lives and in their childrens lives. If anyone can send me some input in what I can write in the pamphlets it would be appreciated a whole lot. Lets think of our children and ourselves for once, don’t cower in the corner guys. It will only get worse with these people and our future at their fingertips.
TheDeenster@netzero.net
The really good news about this whole thing is that they depend completely on our cooperation in order to carry out their crimes. We have the power to turn this thing around virtually overnight. All it will take is a significant percentage of us to stop cooperating with our own exploitation. When news gets out about it, I believe there will be a nationwide refusal to continue to cooperate with these criminals. They will be revealed for what they are, common criminals and thieves. It is very important to understand that they are IN FACT breaking the law on a daily basis. They are routinely violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans. The day may come when we could see large numbers of these perpetrators prosecuted for their crimes against the American People. It is important to understand that the vast majority of Americans have no idea how far out of line these criminals have strayed in pursuit of the taxpayer dollar. Once they are exposed and people learn how deep this corruption has spread through the entire system, they will demand justice. It is up to us to make it happen.
I think the only ones who really cower, are the ones who know that they, and their children, are being victimized and do nothing to stop it. I could not look at the man in the glass and continue to pay the extortion. That doesn’t necessarily make someone who pays a coward. Let your conscience be your guide. Life is too short to spend it doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons. When you are about to take your last breath, I think you will be glad that you lived according to your values.
Actually, I’d like to do that on my rocker on the front porch when I’m 80 !!
Comments from a wise judge:
“Although the dispute is symbolized by a ‘versus’ which signifies two adverse parties at opposite poles of a line, there is in fact a third party whose interests and rights make of the line a triangle. That person, the child who is not an official party to the lawsuit but whose well-being is in the eye of the controversy, has a right to shared parenting when both are equally suited to provide it. Inherent in the express public policy is a recognition of the child’s right to equal access and opportunity with both parents, the right to be guided and nurtured by both parents, the right to have major decisions made by the application of both parents’ wisdom, judgement and experience. The child does not forfeit these rights when the parents divorce.”
–Presiding Judge Dorothy T. Beasley,
Georgia Court of Appeals,
“In the Interest of A.R.B., a Child,”
If anyone is interested in some good reading here’s an excellent site!
http://www.gocrc.com/research/index.html
In the words of a thoughtful citizen:
I think this judge is moving in the right direction. However, who is qualified to determine which parents are “equally capable†of providing for their children and which are not? What should be the criteria to establish a persons’ equal ability to be a worthy parent? She raises more questions than she answers with this vague statement. She is a lawyer and seems to be laying the groundwork for more litigation on behalf of her lawyer buddies.
I think the only consideration as to the qualification of a worthy parent, should be whether you have been abusive toward your children. If you are an abusive parent and the court can show credible evidence to that effect, then custody should go to the other parent. That should include evidence of false allegations made by one parent in order to obtain custody. If it is more likely than not that a parent has used false allegations in order to obtain sole custody, that person should lose custody permanently. This may seem harsh to the people who use false allegations as a tool to obtain custody, but will be necessary to adequately deter the behavior. Any parent who would stoop so low as to make dangerous, false allegations of abuse in order to deprive the other parent of contact with the child/children and to benefit from the child support award, should not even be around children, much less enjoy custody.
Child support awards should only be considered in cases where one parent has lost custody due to abusive behavior. The courts should never benefit from the child support award. There should never, under any circumstance, be matching taxpayer dollars paid to ANY AGENCY OR PARTY for the award or collection of the support. This only provides an incentive to corrupt our courts and government. Believe me, we don’t need to provide any incentives to these people, they will find ways to corrupt our free way of life without our assistance.
You’re correct. What we hear from (clearing throat) feminist groups and what we see in a statistical graph done by Dept. of Health and Staistics is completely the opposite. I personally side with tha facts and not what I hear. What we hear is exactly what were are dealing with right now in the courts, and that’s false allegations of abuse which directly fuel the family courts decisions in our society. Hopefully, that train is losing steam!
TheDeenster@netzero.net
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